trying to get this in a place they like, they want to make sure the president failed much like rush limbaugh said earlier this year. i do think there is -- >> you have different views here, i'll point out. mike, i want to bring you in, though. you are at the white house. you see how they're dealing with this every day. have you noticed a change in the president's message, a change in the way the president is going about this because of the reaction that we have seen at the town hall meetings the last couple of weeks? >> erica, there certainly has been. i'm imagining what the woodhouse thanksgiving is going to be like. >> loud, very loud. you're welcome to come. >> the white house recognizes that their initial message, these were extremists at these town meetings who haved been pu up to this would not fly. they're letting out their frustrations about the sweep of the mandate. you can turn people out, put people on the bus, but you can't get people to speak with this kind of passion. so what the white house hopes is that people will use this few weeks, this month to vent. there are 500, if you